Well...no. No, they're not. Technically Robyn's a critique group, but since there's two of us, we're more flexible and quicker than other groups. And the writer pros are a group, but not in the formal one-chapter-a-week kind of set-up. But I do have two groups that do weekly submissions, and they're not on the list as part of my revision plan. Why not?
The Problem with Critique Groups
- They have a schedule. Which means, you're stuck with a certain number of pages a certain amount of time. One of my group does a chapter a week, the other does a chapter every other week or so. By that time line, I'd be lucky to finish the novel with the second group before Christmas.
- They read small selections spaced out over longer amounts of time. A chapter every other week leads to the inevitable question in the notes ...did you introduce this character before? ...was there foreshadow for this in an earlier chapter? You lose the thread of things when it takes you till Christmas to read a draft, and you can only read ten pages every 14 days.
- They tend to focus on the minutia. In part because critique groups by their nature struggle with big picture ideas in a WIP, they also tend to comment on smaller, nit-picky details that are sometime irrelevant to the overall work.
Why Critique Groups are Essential
None of that was to say that Critique Groups aren't worthwhile. They are. They are. But for different reasons.
- Critique Groups teach you how to critique yourself. How many times have you heard the pithy statements "show, don't tell," or "POV problems"? But did you ever really understand them in your own writing until you caught it in someone else's? As a teacher, I see this all the time. I understand so much more about T'ang Dyntasy Chinese poetry now, when I teach it to my students, than five years ago when I read about it in college. When you try to help your critique group member with a problem scene, you'll realize more how to fix that kind of problem in your own writing.
- Critique Groups notice patterns. If you fall into a typical set-up with your chapters, for example, and always start with dialog and end with a cliff-hanger, the critique group tends to notice that much more than a reader reading the whole work. If you have repetative words or sentence structure, group members are better at spotting that sort of problem. In fact, if you stick with a group long enough, you'll start thinking of them when you write. To this day, I take out semi-colons because I know a member of my group will tell me I overuse them (but they're so much fun!).
- They tend to focus on the minutia. One of the downfalls of groups is also a strength. We all need help with grammar. We all need someone to point out that that one sentence on page 34 has really crappy diction. We all need to have someone show us how those three lines of dialog over in that scene are really stiff. This may not be what makes or breaks a story--it's not identifying a major plot hole or correcting a flaw in character development--but still, it's the difference between good writing and great writing.
So in the end, where do Critique Groups fit into my Massive Revision Plan?
All over. I've already started my WIP with both of my scheduled crit groups. As they read and comment, I'm storing their comments, but not using them to revise until I'm near the end. From there, I'm going to compare my final draft with their notes through the text. They're going to be my final check list. Did I fix the problems they pointed out? If they had questions in a chapter, where those questions answered (at least in another chapter)? Did I fix the minutia they pointed out?
Sure, neither group may be finished with the entire WIP by the time I've got a polished draft to send out. But that's fine. They'll both be at least to page 50 by then (standard for partial requests). And by continuing to send the WIP to them after I submit to agents will keep me focused and in line--both on further revisions and on agent submissions.
When I try to use critique groups as my only source of revision, I find that I don't push myself hard enough, and that the critiques don't always fulfill my need for revision. But when I utilize the strengths of the critique groups alongside my other revision plans, I hope to have the best possible method of revision I can get.
Highly informative and personal and I happen to agree wholeheartedly as you already know. Thanks for sharing your POV. Site looks great by the way. Been so into my own deadlines that I've not been over to take a look. Hope all is going well. Let me know what I can do to support you! Cheers-Georgia
Good point, Beth. I have a writer's group, and they never get to see an entire project. But if I hit a troublesome area, or if I have a question about whether a concept is working, I can take it to them when we meet every other week. They have been very helpful, and you're right about the strengths. At the same time, they can't always be there for us.
Thank you for sharing this, Beth. I know finding a critique group is my next step and it's good to know what to expect going into it. You have a great plan! Your WIP is sure to be polished in no time.
This was very interesting! Since I'm going through my own massive revision, it is always good to see how others work. I've got to hit my crit group next also.
Miss Beth, I've found that one or two critics work better than a room full. I have two or three people with whom I share my work. I trust their judgement. I've found that if I share it with too many people, I lose myself. There's a fine line within the literary community. It's like walking a tight rope.
You know what I think about the subject! :)
I started my new WIP, but can't email right now. I can receive emails though. Send me yours and then by the next time we meet, maybe my danged email problems will be fixed.
Wonderful post, btw. Your posts are always helpful. How'd I luck out and get you for my buddy? :0) Hey to C!
The slow pace of the critique group can become a problem. I happen to LOVE my group, although I tend to write much more and much faster than them, so I often can only send a little bit just to be fair. However, we have very loose rules. We meet once every three weeks and we never set a maximum or min amount of pages. I've noticed in writing workshops that critiques tend to focus on and obsess over the tiniest inconsequential details, but I'm really lucky because my girls are GREAT at seeing the big picture and we often spend more time discussing our works as a whole then going over each sentence.
Yep, I agree! It's really important to have that 20 pages a month group but equally as important to get those full manuscript critiques to see the bigger picture.
Georgia: hello! Hope all is going well with your deadlines!
Davin: Yup, I agree--although it is something that I had to learn with time. I thought at first that crit groups would solve all life's problems--it was through trial and error that I realized that I work best with several different methods.
Trisha: Honestly, I think by blogging, you're giving yourself a great start to finding a crit group. Don't be afraid to be selective, though--it's easier to wait and find the right group than waste time with the wrong one until you DO find a good one.
Ello: I've got another post tomorrow coming up about it! :)
Amy: Yup. Too many conflicting opinions are just confusing!!
Robyn, keep posting here, we'll figure something out!
Frankie: I'm happy for you! You are really lucky!!
PJ: Exactly--I've found both to be essential!
You hit it exactly--what happens when a group sticks with the structure that worked for them at the beginning, but maybe not anymore. I've been incredibly lucky in that my group has been very flexible. We adapt for full-manuscript reads, we do brainstorming for our published author who has to turn out a book every six months & doesn't have time for as much actual critiquing. This week she's handing us the first 60 or so pages, and we'll critique in fast and give her as much story-building-type material as we can. It's not always that ideal of getting feedback on every page, but the trade-off is that we can still help each other & move forward at the same time!
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